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Post by khamski on Sept 14, 2009 17:03:41 GMT
To be honest i don't want to ban anyone. I just want this thing go smooth and successful. If it is possible to solve things here without dramas i'd be very thankful I ask you guys to take into consideration the fact that - I already let Fanto and GHorn play so it would be stupid to ban them now. - I already banned FaD so it would be stupid to let him play. Anyways final voting will decide it all. On Fantmas: I do remember his wrongdoings. But also i remember that he obeys rules when he is under the threat of a ban. Lets not turn it into vendetta. Whats done is done. Forgive but not forget. Everyone here has a vote. Use it. And don't force others to think like you.
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Post by Koras on Sept 14, 2009 17:43:38 GMT
I have no idea why U want let himplay in this tournamnet.I talking about GeneralHorn:) hmm what can I say ONL is not CWT!.... i already get email from FaD with apologize, he want back to ONL as soon as possible I votes; GHorn:BAN! FaD: he should play with yellow card Fantomas: if he didnt play any group game in strict schedule... fast ban and someone replace him(felo,wriggler)
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Post by Jigsaw on Sept 14, 2009 17:45:32 GMT
Everyone here has a vote. Use it. And don't force others to think like you. How can they vote if they don't even know Fantomas? They have to read what I and you have to say about him, and your agruments are pretty weak and easilly refutable.
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Post by Jakka on Sept 14, 2009 17:56:27 GMT
To be honest i don't want to ban anyone. I just want this thing go smooth and successful. I guess in order to provide a smooth and successful tournament you need to make sure that all potential threats to it's smoothness and success are not permitted at all.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2009 20:44:44 GMT
Heya, thanks to Jigsaw for his informations. I didnt knew anything of your details.
But khamski is right. GHorn and Fantomas are standing already at official starter list. We cant take them again out without a mistake of them during that period. I would have liked to see GHorn as banned, after reading Jigsaws post I have also some reservations against Fantomas. But official is official.
To come to an end:
Send all three players (I would allow FaD to play) a warning message over EMAIL, declairing them the specific reason. Lets apply rules pretty strong, so another player from waiting list can replace one of them very fast, after he is kicked. For me most fair solution.
P.S.: If you wish I talk to GHorn and FaD. They are my landsmen and I can express Mods opinion better in german :-)
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Post by khamski on Sept 14, 2009 21:33:34 GMT
Joschi: Our discussions stay here. No need to talk with anyone. We vote we act. They read about it on the forum.
I expressed everything i had on this issue.No more information to share. So when you guys vote please say: "My final vote is..." No need to hurry though.
I think it is not our primary goal now.
They are: First one is to grab as more quality players as we can to the waiting list. Because we need players to substitue those who will whine about the dates. And who knows maybe we will need qualis.
Second is publicly discuss and create Fixed Games Schedule (v important). I'll send e-mails to all participants to visit the thread as soon as it will be open.
We need to know the times and dates our players can play. So we will use it to make the pots for creating the table.
Third start discussin' Rules of the Tournament in Private section (it will include everything: scheme, judges, yellow red cards, punishments, structure, etc.)
p.s. i am in a horrendous deadlines at my job now. So if you guys start this two threads and scouting i'd be very thankful.
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Post by Antares on Sept 15, 2009 6:37:32 GMT
1. Fad - Ban (or if you think he can bring an extra spice to this then NOT ban) Could be a good point he is active and somewhat good player. But the fact is there are many players with his skills and much better character. 2. GHorn - Ban Reasons are all there, mentioned by you all... if he only plays this tournament means that he entered in a state of comodity so... 3. Fantomas - Nothing personal against him, i played many games vs him when he was in NNNL. I trust however Luke's judgement.
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Post by Jigsaw on Sept 15, 2009 7:35:08 GMT
Come on, it doesn't matter that they signed up especially since it was just an orientation thread. Khamski wrote in sign up topic: "Tournament is under construction now. So details are coming..." And some of the details will be who's kicked out, new scheme, whole organisation, even mod squad wasn't known back then. Also if you don't want to look bad I can take all the responsibility on me Fantomas and Horn have to be removed, they piss off other good players who then feel disgusted with CWT, no need to be fair with them, they are not even members of the community! (because they appear only for cwt, yea) So my "final vote" is still ban for Fantomas and GHorn Fad is as Antares pointed out very active and wouldn't cause delays. BUT he didn't learn anything from his onl ban. He cheated in tnl game, he will cheat here too. We could allow him to play telling him that he is on a "yellow card" but if we kicked him during the group stage that group could be messed up. So it's really tough decision here. On one hand all we have is assumption, on the other we have the knowledge that Fad is a slow and stubborn learner.
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Post by khamski on Sept 15, 2009 10:03:20 GMT
True nothing is decided yet. thats why we must start doing it asap.
Jakka, Joschi we are waiting for your final votes.
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Post by Jakka on Sept 15, 2009 11:45:19 GMT
I took some time for making up my mind, considered all your arguments and own thoughts.
Fad - no ban. Horn - ban. Fantomas - since I wasn't there when he assumingly screwed CWT and can't judge by myself even if I trust Dario's and Fluke's judgements, imo it would be stupid to vote on him now and call it my vote, because it would obviously be a biased vote.
And few words about Kinslayer, if you don't consider to vote on him, then at least give him a warning saying that he will be removed immediately after calling any of the participants noob or any other word that can be construed as an insult.
By the way, I have no problems playing the bad guy.
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Post by Jigsaw on Sept 15, 2009 12:46:58 GMT
On one hand Kinslayer should be warned, but more importantly there have to be new rules in the main site, because these rules that are in there are few years old, when there were no behaviour or cheating problems. Then these rules could be applied to Kinslayer's and whoever else's bitching. We need to formulate the following: 1. behaviour rules 2. forbidden stuff (that I have already written last year, needs to be revised and put on site) 3. the whole structure: scheme, map picking, home/away stays or goes, numbers of rounds, quittings and disconnections etc. 4. something I surely forgot atm!
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Post by Koras on Sept 15, 2009 13:26:23 GMT
I change my vote to ban Fantomas ..... CWT lose nothing if he wont play this year. It will be just faster and better organized tournament. He can start in 2010:) it will be good lessson for him
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Post by khamski on Sept 15, 2009 14:55:05 GMT
Jakka: yep agree. Kin will get a yellow right from the start. every game of this tourney will be played by three guys Opponent A, B and the Judge. So Judge will be responsible for keeping eye on players behaviour. If something bad happens Judge comes in here and tell the story. We vote. We act.
Jigsaw: Yea. we need a CWT 2009 Rules thread.
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Post by Koras on Sept 16, 2009 16:28:45 GMT
In my opinion U shouldnt send email to Fantomas,Fad and GHorn till we decide what to do with them. if I am not wrong it looks like: Fad:play with yellow card Fantomas/GHorn:ban will be better if we finish one discussion before we start new^^
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Post by khamski on Sept 16, 2009 16:59:12 GMT
Its an "E-mail All" function. It sends mail to all who are registered on this forum. We will finish this discussion when Joschi will be so kind to visit us
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