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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2011 7:30:04 GMT
"And I would like that more people would join this discussion."
Agree. At the end always majority decides.
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Post by khamski on Oct 6, 2011 16:18:15 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2011 16:53:34 GMT
Now we strictly follow the way how UEFA CHL runs.
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Post by Koras on Oct 6, 2011 19:05:52 GMT
Its second CWT organized by your team. Imo it doesnt have any sense to change trdition of CWT. It doesnt change anything, we will just throw a coin 2 times instead of 1. First throw wont be important at all. Just another little note. Ofc this has a very low probability to happen but, it is possible, in fact, that even if Dario, Mablak, Kayz and Koras would be first in their groups, that they could be drawn in the same side of the PO tree, so they would play against each other before the final. Would you like that this would happen? It wouldn't be fair to make another draw... It was possible since cwt 2002 till cwt 2009, and it was also possible in cwt 2010.
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Post by Koras on Oct 6, 2011 19:10:59 GMT
Its second CWT organized by your team. Imo it doesnt have any sense to change trAdition of CWT. It doesnt change anything, we will just throw a coin 2 times instead of 1. Anyway first throw wont be important at all. Just another little note. Ofc this has a very low probability to happen but, it is possible, in fact, that even if Dario, Mablak, Kayz and Koras would be first in their groups, that they could be drawn in the same side of the PO tree, so they would play against each other before the final. Would you like that this would happen? It wouldn't be fair to make another draw... It was possible since cwt 2002 till cwt 2009, and it was also possible in cwt 2010. After all its not big deal, we just have to wait a bit longer to see possiblity of play offs tree At least some pro players wont lose on purpose to wont play against Dario in first or 2nd round
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Post by Ivo on Oct 6, 2011 21:29:24 GMT
It was possible since cwt 2002 till cwt 2009, and it was also possible in cwt 2010. No, Koras. I don't know if CWTs previous than 2010 were the way that I'm defending but, if they were, so it wasn't possible. Take not that I've said that if you all (Dario, Mablak, Kayz and Koras) would finish all your groups in 1st, and taking into account that you would be in different groups. So, the 1st and 2nd of the ranking, as the 3rd and the 4th, would be in different parts of the tree, if they would all finish the group in first.
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Post by TenoriTaiga on Oct 6, 2011 23:19:18 GMT
I think that the fairest pairing strategy for playoffs is plain old random, first places playing versus second places. Of course, you should ensure that players from the same group don't meet in the round of 16.
As for group generation, it is obvious that the pots system (based on player strength - kind of subjective, yet fair criterion) should be used, just like they do in Champions League.
Sorry, I haven't read the whole topic, just coining in a little opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2011 7:38:24 GMT
I don't know if you know, TT, but that is exactly the way Zemke is going since 2010. And continues this year, too.
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Post by Koras on Oct 7, 2011 21:10:18 GMT
It was possible since cwt 2002 till cwt 2009, and it was also possible in cwt 2010. No, Koras. I don't know if CWTs previous than 2010 were the way that I'm defending but, if they were, so it wasn't possible. Take not that I've said that if you all (Dario, Mablak, Kayz and Koras) would finish all your groups in 1st, and taking into account that you would be in different groups. So, the 1st and 2nd of the ranking, as the 3rd and the 4th, would be in different parts of the tree, if they would all finish the group in first. there will be 8 groups not 4(8 first place vs 8 2nd). it will be same,we discuss about nothing lol
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2011 21:16:29 GMT
Playoffs are opened! Screenshot of my admin panel:
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Post by Tomek on Oct 28, 2011 22:06:25 GMT
Damn :/ In my opinion Crespo is a tradition.. like a halloween or x-mass.. should be every year the same..I can't do anything here so i should stfu too, but everyone can write what he think about it.. groups are without any sense guys thats the true
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Post by Zemke on Oct 28, 2011 22:55:06 GMT
The playoff pairing system has been like that for 10 years.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2011 23:25:56 GMT
Damn :/ In my opinion Crespo is a tradition.. like a halloween or x-mass.. should be every year the same..I can't do anything here so i should stfu too, but everyone can write what he think about it.. groups are without any sense guys thats the true I want to keep the good things from CWT, exactly like you Tomek. For exemple I invited all old/recent CWT players by PM. But to CWT's history belongs also, that there were each year minimum (minimum!!) 5 unplayed games (not mentioning x-player replacements during tourney). In my opinion, technical win is the most unfair thing at all. It destroys a group/tourney. Some old tourneys last half a year. Last year, I got it with a maximum of effort (lol, players already hated me, because I pushed them hard) to 3 unplayed games. Today we have 47/48 games played, at the end I expect 64 of 64 games played. Now you can discuss, if our new group stage system has his weaknesses, but at least it avoided tech. wins! That is a pure fact. Another point for me, why I prefere bo5 matchs, are, because I want to weight each single CWT game. That it gets more attention of community. Community can't watch all 112 group stage games, but maybe 48 games. I want to say, that communitys attention focuse on a lower amount of games. Last years statistic saied also, that the second leg only in very very few cases differs to the first leg. And about the actual topic, playoff tree, we just practice the same fucking shit like last ten years. I don't know, why some make a buzz of it or even blame us. I want to remind, that CWT is a community work!! What you don't like at tourney system?
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Post by Mablak on Oct 28, 2011 23:56:53 GMT
I'm fine with things being random, but it's not that difficult to make a determination of who the top 4 players are and spread them out. It's certainly subjective, but you can take into account things like past CWT performances and achievements in NNNL to compare people.
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Post by Tomek on Oct 29, 2011 8:27:10 GMT
bo5 only one with 1 player is cool Joschi..about unplayed games and technical wins you're right.. but this grop system wasn't like 10 yerars ago.. Zemke maybe you don't remember but after 1st games in tables we haven't played again with same players from group in 1/8.. everyone with everyone from different group..now everyone have mini crespo in his group i hope u know what i mean
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