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Post by Kayz on Apr 1, 2012 17:31:24 GMT
Oh right, the first of April.. Ye Zemke it's a compromise, but still not fair Then we just vote in a poll. Btw Joschi I don't know why you think that player 4 is no worthy opponent for player 1. Just think about what would happen if Dario and Mablak won't sign up for 2012 CWT. Your arguments are based on your view of the actual players, but not objectively on fairness. So if we had only one pro in the worms world, who owns everyone, nobody would want him in his branch, so what then? Sorry, but it's ridiculous
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Post by khamski on Apr 1, 2012 18:35:40 GMT
Okay.
I think the great step is that we ALL agreed on using subjective experts rating for making a 1|8 draw. It's a big step i would say. Today is only a 1 april (ha ha) so we have some time to clear things up and finish this issue. So lets make a break and chill a bit. Poll or not. We will solve this all soon anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2012 17:58:51 GMT
Btw Joschi I don't know why you think that player 4 is no worthy opponent for player 1. On the assumption, that your "expert ranking" is a reference worth, Player1. has a formal advantage, because he doesn't have to fear to play vs. his following (in the expert ranking) player. Player 2. does. I just show, that your modus, orientated on maximal balance (which wants to legitime at the end subjective ratings) has also deficites there. The system favors Player 1. in front of Player 2.So if we had only one pro in the worms world, who owns everyone, nobody would want him in his branch, so what then? What then?
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Post by Koras on Apr 6, 2012 5:38:05 GMT
everything sounds good and fair "Edit: Agree on Random00, the new system will take the thrill away. " "The system favors Player 1. in front of Player 2."
Its jsut favours top player in fron of weaker. In 2011 it was better for a bit worse players then real top.
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Post by Zolo-du on Apr 7, 2012 16:34:22 GMT
Better to do it right away playoff for the top 8,as in any group will be the two best players,will not be surprises or "group of Death"... but if such adjustment is fair or better then OK I have only one question...who is who is afraid to play? hehe now all say that I'm wrong...
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Post by zoky on Jun 2, 2012 8:13:09 GMT
hi guys.this xear i will talk beafore CWT about my "pain" look this clip2net.com/s/1Zs7didk how do u choose players in pot 1,2,3,4 but i am not happy about last year!pitcure is 1000 words right? about playoff!!!IMO the best way is some thing like this.. so 1st two players from group A play vs gropu C...B vs D ets then winner in A and C vs B and D etc... u will avoid "lucky" draw
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Post by Tade on Jun 2, 2012 10:31:52 GMT
I read all your posts and i agree with anything you decide but i must agree with random00, there is no thrill at all. It would be a good games but also it is the best scheme for strongest players. Look at example european championship in footbal right now. It would be bad if they put i would say Germany and Spain (two stronest teams) in the way they could meet only in final game. Why? Why not some Croatia to get easyer way. Crespo is one year tourney and by my view it must be luck factor. You can be better luck or said oh crap i got Mablak in second round... Why not use world cup system pairnigs? you have 32 teams and decided by strenght, and it is all about first draw. everything later is already decided... i think that way is the best
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2012 16:28:00 GMT
hi guys.this xear i will talk beafore CWT about my "pain" look this clip2net.com/s/1Zs7didk how do u choose players in pot 1,2,3,4 but i am not happy about last year!pitcure is 1000 words right? Last year, in CWT11, Dario, Kayz and khamski made this division in 4 pots. I hardly know a more fair way to rank players then ask the most experienced guys for their opinion. We could also ask 5 people, but I doubt it changes a lot. about playoff!!!IMO the best way is some thing like this.. so 1st two players from group A play vs gropu C...B vs D ets then winner in A and C vs B and D etc... u will avoid "lucky" draw There you only postpone the "lucky draw" moment before the tourney starts. You have exactly the same probability of "lucky draw" then with the old system. It doesn't change a lot. Really, the only difference is, that you know your possible KO stage opponents while playing your group games. But the luck factor is 100% the same. Why not use world cup system pairnigs? you have 32 teams and decided by strenght, and it is all about first draw. everything later is already decided... World cup system also considers host team (they play always in group A) and proportional representation of regions (Europe, Asia, Latin America...). I don't see a dramatically difference in drawing before or after group stage. I am happy that you dislike seed factors aswell, that you take a tourney as what it is: to filter the best player. Not to give a representation of TOP4 players of starter field.
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Post by Kayz on Jun 3, 2012 13:42:58 GMT
Our final Playoff rule is there:
After long discussions and more discussions our team came to this compromise and we accepted that we put the Top 2 players in one branch each, (the position in the branch is random itself), and then we just put group winner vs 2nd. That's it. Easy, simple, still fair, very low chance of treeluckboxing (ty Johnmir for this term, it's very famous now).
So nothing else to say, but weeeee CWT is going to be great fun.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2012 21:12:54 GMT
1. The top 2 of the subjective ranking won't be in the same branch. Why top 2 isn't published yet? Provided that top 2 is Kayz and Mablak, but Kayz qualifies as 2nd placed guy for playoffs, what happens then? In this case, will you still apply the rule?
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Post by Tade on Oct 7, 2012 22:18:59 GMT
This is actually a good question. Who said that Kayz and Mablak will be 1 in their groups... That is why i was against this from the beggining. I understand Kayz and Khamski and others who were for this system but no one actually did not imagine that player can be second in group.
That is why this kind of tournaments need to be on draw factor, playoff 1 against 2 in group that is all. If you get very good player, well better luck next year...
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Post by Kayz on Oct 8, 2012 3:33:51 GMT
Maybe you first wait of the result of the group? nappy can still lose to Ivo. And yes if I am 2nd of the group, the rule won't apply, and Koras and Mablak will be in separate branches. We already talked about this in facebook, Joschi. So the top 3 of the ranking were Mablak Kayz Koras. I just forgot to add to the rules that this will only apply if you are 1st of the group stage, I thought it was obvious... I understand Kayz and Khamski and others who were for this system but no one actually did not imagine that player can be second in group. What makes you think we didn't imagine this? Of course we did. I just forgot to add it to the rules. If someone of the top 2 ranking doesn't reach 1st place of group phase, he will replaced by 3rd and so on. If Mablak won't reach first of his group, then Koras and chuvash won't be in the same branch.
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Post by Koras on Oct 8, 2012 4:50:26 GMT
oh well i can be 2nd too:) and after all u can be at my half of tree.... 50% with chuvash and Joschi!!^^ its still random so dont cry here girls and lol fu u kayz someone who will play vs U in first round will be very mad
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2012 9:59:46 GMT
So the top 3 of the ranking were Mablak Kayz Koras.I just forgot to add to the rules that this will only apply if you are 1st of the group stage, I thought it was obvious... Sorry, I didn't see the obviousness here. Still, I couldn't guess the top3. In this scenario, the additional rule lost a bit of it's sense. I think.
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Post by Koras on Oct 8, 2012 17:48:47 GMT
So the top 3 of the ranking were Mablak Kayz Koras.I just forgot to add to the rules that this will only apply if you are 1st of the group stage, I thought it was obvious... Sorry, I didn't see the obviousness here. Still, I couldn't guess the top3. In this scenario, the additional rule lost a bit of it's sense. I think. IMI this whole situation prove this rule was kinda stupid.... shape of every player chnage very often(better/worse day,inactivity). MODS pls think about it for next CWT, now its a bit too late.
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