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Post by MrTPenguin on Feb 3, 2003 17:49:01 GMT
I have modified the existing "Intermediate" scheme using Annelid's Scheme Editor to create what I've called "Intermediate2". The changes are:
1. Self placement of Worms 2. No Worm-Selects 3. No dud Mines (all Mines are 3 sec) 4. Round Time is displayed 5. At the end of the round, rather than all worms having their health reduced to one point, a Nuke is dropped.
Everything else is exactly the same as for the ordinary "Intermediate". I hope to test this scheme online over the next few days, and may well use it for Tournament games.
Mr T Penguin.
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Post by UrbanSpaceman on Feb 3, 2003 19:54:56 GMT
Seems like a pretty good scheme for tournament games.... while random or dud mines may be fun, they do detract from the fairness of competitive matches. As an Intermediate player myself, I will probably be using your scheme in future tournament games (with the consent of my opponent, of course). Thanks Penguin.
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Post by Simon on Feb 4, 2003 12:26:48 GMT
[glow=green,5,0]I agree with point 3,4 and 5 but 1 and 2 are going to be a point of contention thought-out this years tourni I feel.[/glow]
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Post by UrbanSpaceman on Feb 4, 2003 22:09:47 GMT
I would personally disagree with point 2, as I believe that the 3 worm selects you get in Intermediate scheme are a legitimate tactic rather than a cheap way to get kills: the skilful use of this utility can make the difference between winning and losing.
If anything, it makes it slightly fairer, as with these selects on, the wormer who gets the first turn has less of an advantage. But, y'know, whatever..... I'll agree schemes closer to my actual matches, as I'm sure everyone else will, so there's no need to try and create a "definitive" scheme for all games. For the record, Penguin's modified Intermediate is pretty good as tournament settings go.
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Post by MrTPenguin on Feb 7, 2003 22:23:35 GMT
Cheers :-)
This scheme isn't the "be-all and end-all" in my opinion. There are quite a few bits and bobs (including Select-Worms) which can contribute positively to games. This is merely what I consider to be the best scheme for this particular tournament.
Out of interest, if I organised a tournament, I would have all the games played in either the Elite or the WormsPRO channel exclusively.
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Post by DustedTrooper on Feb 13, 2003 1:53:18 GMT
I just wanted to post that because of the rule about what will happen in the case of a disconection, none of us should use scheemes were there is no restock or there is a restock but you keep the stuff you havn't used (does anyone play that way?). so scheemes like pro, or tournament probibly shouldnt be used. I love playing pro but for
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Post by DustedTrooper on Feb 13, 2003 1:59:12 GMT
Because of the rule about what will happen in the case of a disconection, none of us should use scheemes were there is no restock or there is a restock but you keep the stuff you havn't used (does anyone play that way?). so scheemes like pro, or tournament probibly shouldnt be used. I love playing pro but for the sake of fair play we probibly shouldnt use thoe kind of scheemes. It would suck if someone beat you first round using all there weapons while you saved all yours and then disconected second round and you were forced to replay at 0-1.
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Post by Crespo on Feb 14, 2003 21:28:03 GMT
I presume anyone who tries that dirty trick to win games won't be more than a cow... If you intend to use that trick please let me tell you that you have entered the wrong tournament. If I somehow suspect that someone does that I will have no troubles at subtracting 3 points to that wormer's score. I doubt any of the wormers from last year's tournament and some of the new-comers will try that dirty move to win as I know they are fair and honourable wormers. But there are some of you guys that are still unknown to me (Clay, Konrad, GForce, Kortren, LostBoy, TF3K, kBBk, Jigsaw, DustedTrooper and CACAPHONY). I'll be watching you guys closely. If anyone turns to the cow-side I will have no mercy. The use of the "weapons stay" thing is really cool. You have to think which moves will be the best for wiping out the enemy without wasting your limited resources...
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Post by MrTPenguin on Mar 10, 2003 12:41:05 GMT
There is a 6th difference between I and I2: there is no turn-delay for the Jet Pack in I2. I opened up I2 in my scheme editor and found it was set to Turn Delay = 0, so I changed it to 2. However, there is a bug which makes all Utilities available immediately, so there's no point me re-issuing I2. Never mind.
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Post by Rigga on Mar 11, 2003 9:39:25 GMT
Hmm, original... Personally I would prefer an overall standard scheme for the tournament as I can see me, and others, getting in arguments about if Worm Select should be on, etc.
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Post by Simon on Mar 12, 2003 10:37:19 GMT
[glow=green,5,0]I would agree with Rigga there.. I have no problem any more with self placement of worms but the standard three worms selects should also be available.
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Post by MrTPenguin on Mar 12, 2003 21:51:10 GMT
I learnt my trade (worms: normal games) through Elite and WormsPRO. I thought that the inclusion of 1 worm-select in the WormsPRO scheme was a bit gay, so I didn't include any in I2.
Lol, Rigga, I know the name isn't particularly original, but I thought that if I gave it an original name then it would personalise it and thus people would think of it as "The Penguin's scheme". I like to think of I2 as a universal scheme for everyone.
I could create a version with 3 worm selects.
Thanks for the feedback lads ;-)
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Post by Crespo on May 15, 2003 15:47:18 GMT
Yo guys, I'm trying to post something important here... Well, yesterday I went a friend's house (you don't know him cuz' he hasn't got Internet) to have some fun worming offline. After 2 society matches (1x1x1 and a 2x2) we had no option but to have some duels between us, cuz' the other 2 dudes have sit on a table playing Magic: The Gathering. So we begun our amazing duel session. We first started playing in a scheme of my own creation, which resembles the Team17 style, but a bit faster; I call it the "No Weapon" scheme. It's not good for tournament play but yet a very funny scheme to play with. I luckilly won that game. Anyway, on our second match we decided to go try out some default schemes. We decided to play a "Strategic" game. And I actually enjoyed playing with that scheme cuz' it is a totaly normal scheme and it would be, as far I'm concerned, another good scheme for tournament play. In the end I lost the game by a 2-0 score. After we went out to have some dinner, we returned to continue our WWP duel session. This time we went for "The Darkside" scheme. And it was a simply breathtaking match, cuz' the scheme it's simply amazing for me. One time I found myself with 2 worms (1 was crippled) and my friend had about 5 worms still alive; dead? Not quite... Scales of Justice equal things out. I got one hell of an HUGE worm (with more than 200 of health) that wasn't able to kick ass just because of some mistakes I did. It was maybe my favourite game of yesterday. In the end, I won 2-1. Anyway, we carried on. What would follow? Well, my friend got curious about "Artillery" scheme. I warned him: "Quite an hard scheme to play with... But we can give it a shot." So we did, and it was an amazing match, once more (my friend was playing at an extremely good level, altough he stills lacks a pro-normal-rope skill). Although I never played "Artillery" mode but once, I enjoyed it quite much cuz' it was a totaly diferent way to play. We had to test our grenadier and zookaer skills in a way like we have never done before. Really amuzing game. In the end, my friend got the 2-1 win due to the most lucky round I've ever seen in the last months; after I kept making awesome moves, those same moves became nothing cuz' of these minnor things such as a mine's "pss" or landing the most close to the mines just enough to don't make them blow up... Long time since I got really pissed and angry while worming. Well, it was a 2-2 total score and we couldn't leave the situation as it was, tied. So we went for a normal game with Specialist mode on. Breath taking match, which I won by 2-1. In the end my last roper saved the day, releasing the fluffy beast called "Sheep". ;D So I won the day by 3-2. But that's what I am here to focus. I am here to focus that we actually played normal games with default schemes that altered the game just a bit to add a special flavour to the games without stoping being normal as well. I intend to say that I've noticed that the tournament is being a bit standartized around Intermediate scheme, which is something that I really don't aprove cuz' sometimes it gets a bit boring to be playing always the same scheme, and the most important here it's actually the fun we have while playing. And really would like to point out the need of trying and playing other schemes (schemes such as Retro or Artillery make the game a little hard to play). I we could decide which schemes are good for tournament play and find a mechanism to choose a random scheme for the playoff games I believe that the tournament would be far better cuz', as I said, playing around Intermediate (or Intermediate hybrids such a Int.2 by MrTPlatypus) makes the matches to be quite similar to each other. Strategy is always the same and scheme versatility is not exercised. I also would like to point out "Strategic" and "The Darkside" as possible playable schemes. The games I had yesterday proved me that I find awesome normal games not only with the Intermediate type schemes. One last scheme, Pro scheme really gets you with your hands tied in the latest parts of the games... Maybe adding restock to it should be advisable. This is what my mind took from yesterday's awesome duel session against ManĂ´lo (he will probably enter future competitions of our comunity if things go the way the should)... PLease think about this and reply if you want to say something.
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Post by Simon on May 16, 2003 6:13:00 GMT
[glow=green,5,0]Somewhere in there , a very good idea appeared! We could play all the play off games on a predetermined random scheme within the range that we have already defined. Crespo could publish the schemes that must be played on the web page. I think it could work... and would certainly level thing up a bit when you find out you are playing your next game on a scheme neither of you have never played before. This would solve the growing unrest that I'm hearing from the 'Intermediate' and 'Pro' players who always want to play on their best scheme. In fact.. may be it would be good to remove the best known schemes from the play off scheme selection!
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Post by Jigsaw on May 16, 2003 8:33:18 GMT
Boomerang called "what scheme" returned hehe, i just want to say one thing about pro, Crespo belive it or not but some ppl (win Xp and Me users) are being booted to desktop sometimes after round so playing pro is impossible. I hope i wont get reply like Dusted got in this topic, its not a dirty trick its just happens, so im not gonna play [pro] as one of my tourny games, but i can play version of pro that you can play in pro channel, dont know if u guys tried that.
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