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Post by Dario on Jan 18, 2006 19:29:38 GMT
well, as Bytor surelly knows, most times i play with him i get the first turn of the game. Just to keep a record of how curious my "luck" is, ill be updating this . Since 2 days ago: vs Bytor: 13-3 (I started 13 times) vs Sirgorash: 1-4 vs NormalPro: 0-2 vs Khamski: 1-2 vs random noobs: 6-4 (only 1 round with these, too boring ) Btw, I am allways using the same team. vs HateQuitters: 0-2 vs Saldanha: 2-0 vs Libre: 1-0 vs c00L: 0-2
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Post by khamski on Jan 18, 2006 21:49:14 GMT
In CWT we play best-of-5... So i dont think it is imortant who goes first like it was in best-of-3 games (well it wasn't that important there too)
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Post by Mielu on Jan 19, 2006 10:18:15 GMT
What I think is essential is to maintain the alternating starting order throughout the game, across disconnections or other unforeseen events. About luck and statistics... that's long story, worthy of the nerd's corner ;D. What I find really interesting is that you managed to play 17 games in two days . Nice training!
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Post by NormalPRO on Jan 19, 2006 12:43:08 GMT
Khamski as far as I know during group stage games are best-of-3, only play-offs are best-of-5 (at least that was in 2005 CWT)
Fully agree with mielu. If you have the first move and then connection crashes and you start re-playing you should move first even if your opponent got the first move. In that case he have to slip his move giving you an opportynity to move first. I think it should be marked in the rules, caz sometimes it is quite important, expecially when 2 good players play. For the the first move can be vital.
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Post by Crespo on Jan 19, 2006 14:42:46 GMT
right, this will be written in the rules! This situation has caused problems in the past and I'm sure it would cause again in the future if I don't say anything official about it...
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Post by khamski on Jan 19, 2006 16:50:50 GMT
ooops... my bad but is it right? A lot of GREAT group games ahead and only 3 rounds max I hope i am not the only one who wants to see double best-of-5 Bytor-Jigsaw games... for example...
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Post by Dario on Jan 19, 2006 17:43:54 GMT
What I find really interesting is that you managed to play 17 games in two days . Nice training! " 2 days ago" = 2 days before i made the post, so its 3 days . You know how it is to play with bytor, everytime i find him we end up playing 3 or 4 games, hehe, i love that!!. With khamski SirGorasg and NormalPRo, it fatc it was only 1 game with each, just that connection broke several times yesterday but yes, 12 games is a lot, hehe.
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Post by NormalPRO on Jan 19, 2006 22:03:51 GMT
Khamski I can agree that best-of-5 is more fun and less dependent on luck (expecially in the first move), but I think for some people who are pretty busy best-of-5 is too long and they can't afford playing worms so much at once. That is why in group games wormers play best-of-3. I think best-of-3 it is enough to find out who is stronger. Of course the can be exceptions when very good or bad luck plays considerable role and a stronger wormer lose, but it is quite rare. But evem if you lose caz of terrible bad luck in one game you can easily regain you position in group stage, of course if you are competent and skilled enough. At least we need not blame bad luck better to admit luck factor in worms caz it is a game.
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Post by khamski on Jan 20, 2006 18:46:51 GMT
yes you are right its damn long i think if 40 players will participate we will have enough fun anyway
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Post by MrTPenguin on Jan 20, 2006 21:00:48 GMT
ooops... my bad but is it right? A lot of GREAT group games ahead and only 3 rounds max I hope i am not the only one who wants to see double best-of-5 Bytor-Jigsaw games... for example... Remember that we have the "Home & Away" system for group games, so the number of rounds each pair of players plays is roughly the same in both stages of the tournament.
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Post by khamski on Jan 21, 2006 19:24:40 GMT
i know i said "double"
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Post by Dario on Jan 25, 2006 1:58:28 GMT
Well, nothing is really coming out of this, so hmm, lets give some final data. The thing i take more relevant are thegames vs Bytor, since I played a lot vs him latelly. My starting turn streak just goes on, unless (when he is hosting) he boots both teams and then we reteam again, being my team the first one to get in. Honestly... no idea what makes the machine decide when a team starts.
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Johnmir
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Post by Johnmir on Jan 27, 2006 18:37:18 GMT
My position: psyhologycal aspect is - the man who goes second has some time to think about his move + after your first turn you always have a little stress cause some seconds ago you had to make your brain to work very fast so you can plan your next turn very bad + a man who goes second almost always is more concentrated then a man who goes first. All this things can change situation with first turn, do you think it is really good to be first? I'm not sure. On hard maps it can be not very good for you when you just haven't got any time to do your turn good planned anough (if you goes first ).
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Post by SirGorash on Jan 28, 2006 0:23:50 GMT
I will try to expose my viewpoint about it. What u said john is true, the 1st turn of the one who starts can not be planed as good as the other 1st turn. But, Your turn always depend on your enemy's last turn, u can think something cool and in the last second your enemy makes something that screws your plan so u need to think a fast plan B, this apply to the 1st turn of the wormer who didnt started too. Also, if u start u have the choice of making a cheap & fast move killing just 1 or 2 worms (leting your enemy in the position of no time to think, but with less worms) or u can make something more complicated like saving some of your worms and killing 3 or 4 (sometimes possible on 1st turn) if u choose the big turn u probably get big advantage (if all goes ok), if u choose the cheap and fast u still have advantage, your enemy starts with less worms and same weapons, and, depending on the time u spent on your 1st move, he will have little time to think too; so thinking about probabilities it is more possible that the one who started will get the round.
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Post by Johnmir on Jan 28, 2006 5:05:53 GMT
Yea, i see. And agree with you. I just wanted to add that I think we shouldn't look at first turn and in games best of 5 it just doesn't matter at all. It is interesting to discuss yes, but at the end I would say these questions are not for people who are really ready to the battle , hope at least somebody will understand me .
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