SirGorash
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Post by SirGorash on Sept 18, 2006 19:15:55 GMT
This thing should be public, i feel involved in all this thing more than the players. I have talked to both XWorm and Gelete. These are the facts i know about this problematic game.
1) Xworm won 1st round CLEARLY and LEGAL.
2) At begining of second round XWorm says he sees the whole screen black and just hear some explosions.
3) Gelete had great advantage with starting positions in that second round. And he said that he did 275 damage and piled 2 worms of X close to a barrel.
4) Gelete acepted to continue playing the game and that conflictive second round was re-played, gelete started and XWorm won.
5) The last round is more conflictive. Gelete and XWorm agrees on the ammount of worms: XWorm had 4 vs 1 of Gelete, it was SD. XWorm affirms that he just needed to do Kamikaze and he will win. Gelete said to Salda (in a chat we just had) that he could have won this game instead but he recognized some small advantage of XWorm (I have the chat logs of all this).
My opinion based on these facts is that XWorm won 2 rounds from the very begining till the end and game should be resumed from that point 2:0 for XWorm.
Round 1: XWorm won
Round 2: Big damage from gelete and XWorm's black screen, Gelete ACEPTED to start this round again and then XWorm won.
As for me this was a legal round, and gelete says it wasnt (You cant go back in your decisions). This is why i think they should resume the game 2:0 instead of what Penguin
early proposed. Pen proposed to start 1:0 and that Gelete should go first and play 2 turns in a row (X should skip first turn in case gelete kill less than 2 worms). I see in this a clear mistake, Gelete is able to make piles in first turn and then big boom in the second giving him a greater advantage while forgeting about the round (2nd replayed) that X won from start to end.
About the tactical situation in the last round it is XWorm's words against Gelete's words so nothing about it, it should be replayed. And, considering that XWorm started first round and Gelete the second, X should start the third round.
Im involved in something that has nothing to do with me directly but im part of this tournament and i saw the Penguin's early reply (by mail) too unfair to stay aside. Silence is not the way to solve the problems, its just an strategy. Because, if u have a well known reputation and you have problems with someone newbie then silence will help one side more than the other and thats prety obvious. Some people will say that i try to help my "Friend" from NNN, all i can say is that im not like that and all the problems we had in NNN and my way of solving them are my proof of it.
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Post by Rafalus on Sept 18, 2006 20:07:54 GMT
Hmm, colour bugs is one of the problems but another is escaping ar control "disconecting". Thats why i have a solution - maybe not perfect but its just and idea. How about in 1\4 a hoster will be a 3rd person? I meen not a player, but hoster will be just a spect. It will be best when hoster will be MrTP. It's only 4 games in 1\4 and only 3 with final so it will not take so much time. What do you think guys about that? XW and Gelete case .... It's hard for me to say anything about that. I'm trying to understand bouth sides and im glad thats its not Me to make this decision  |
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Post by Saldanha on Sept 18, 2006 20:10:05 GMT
Gelete ACEPTED because Xworm didnt want to play when gelete said that he had to play with 2 worms less and his turn, so he does? what he does if Xworm doesnt want to play with this disadvantage?
1 disconect to X and 1 disconect to Gelete. So 1-0 i dont understand this 2-0 is like me says that that the right result was 1-1 :S
I and agree that if xworm wasnt NNN maybe u had the same opinion but u hadnt talk anything if someone doesnt says something like this. I think that this problem is only thing of Penguin Xworm and Gelete and never shouldnt have talked about this
What happen if Gelete says that he doesnt accept the final decision. he cant not? he onlye have to say ok to Penguin. then here isnt xworm accept or gelete accept only Penguin will say what the final decision
I think that Penguin said that the final decision should be 1-0 to Xworm. U can say your opinion before not after, if u say this after then u are doubting the penguin decision
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Post by MrTPenguin on Sept 18, 2006 21:29:29 GMT
This complication has been blown out of all proportions, so I want to put and end to it as soon as possible.
I've received lots of emails, from various people (including an extravagantly presented letter from AwE), and my understanding of what happened is thus:
R1: XWorm wins.
R2a: XWorm got (or claimed to have got) the black screen error at the start, so the round had to be aborted. Gelete did a very strong first turn, killing two worms and injuring a third, so he was unhappy about it having to be restarted.
R2b: XWorm wins.
R3: It went to sudden death, with a 5-1 worms ratio in XWorm's favour. The game crashed (or didn't) when XWorm was about to win (in his opinion) with a kamikaze. No more rounds were played after this.
I originally didn't realise how close XWorm was to winning in R3, so my initial suggestion was that they restart at 1-0 to X. However, my second (and current) suggestion is that they restart at 2-0 to X, with Gelete going first. Gelete wants it to be 1-0, and XWorm wants it to be 3-0 (ie, he deems himself to have won) and says he'd rather quit the tournament than play on, so 2-0 is a reasonable compromise in my opinion.
I think a restart at 2-0 is the fairest option to both players and all parties concerned.
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Crespo
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Post by Crespo on Sept 18, 2006 21:32:56 GMT
I was to mail Penguin about this. I wasn't briefed about this yet. I'm therefore glad that someone made this post. This is clearly a bad situation, specially because it is a playoff match. I won't have to justify my point here, so I will just say it to show my opinion about this. I think that the game should be replayed with the score at 2:0 for XWorm. ps.: Penguin could you mail me with your report on this matter? I'm still on for the rest of this year's  |
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SirGorash
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Post by SirGorash on Sept 18, 2006 21:38:52 GMT
If those starting positions were that important for Gelete and XWorm refused to Gelete's conditions, the best choice for G was to make a break there and wait for the host's decision.
Let me explain this 2:0 again, round by round:
Round 1: XWorm won
Round 2a: Black screen ---> Rehosted
Round 2b: XWorm won
Round 3: Connection crashed
XWorm won 2 rounds, round 1 and round 2b. 1 + 1 = 2
Salda wrote:
"I and agree that if xworm wasnt NNN maybe u had the same opinion but u hadnt talk anything if someone doesnt says something like this. I think that this problem is only thing of Penguin Xworm and Gelete and never shouldnt have talked about this"
>> Gelete told me many many times that i am "helping my friend" (and with the meaning of im not being imparcial in what i think).
Salda wrote:
"I think that Penguin said that the final decision should be 1-0 to Xworm. U can say your opinion before not after, if u say this after then u are doubting the penguin decision"
>> How can i say my opinion about something that will occur later? I got involved when i knew about pen's decision and because i think he was wrong with it man, not before that!
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Post by Saldanha on Sept 18, 2006 21:55:16 GMT
lol i didnt have idea that the "R2b" that Penguin and u explained now. I understood that after the black screen of xworm the next round had been the round of the crash in sd. Then I am ok with this decision and i'm sorry for this Gorash. Understand that if round "R2b" didnt exist then i reply for this.
On the other side i continue saying that any wormer shouldnt say anithing about other wormer although 2 members are at the same clan and add too that u can say your opinion before Penguin say a decision in other case why u cant?
in any case i am sorry again Gorash, your opinion it was right. Nice decision Penguin i was mistaken, sorry in the name of AwE
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SirGorash
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Post by SirGorash on Sept 19, 2006 1:44:23 GMT
Salda i was talking about facts, you were talking about things you dont even know well... What still bothers me about this is how gelete called me and how you and him called XWorm a quitter, man for you 2 he has very bad reputation of quitter but i think, im convinced, that you guys are wrong about him. I told gelete that maybe you are talking about NormalDes, a Russian guy that was member of NNN and he was said to be quitter more than once in our league games. But sincerly i dont remember such comments about XWorm, the problems we had with him were about insults or something like that with MasterTool, nothing about XWorm being a quitter. Both of you said many stupid things to me like "Being NNN leader doesnt give you rights to sneak in other's personal bussiness" (Those things concern us all, The Fantomas-Goku inactivity almost close CWT for ever, and i wasnt talking about details of the game i didnt knew, i was talking about things that both, G and X seemed to agree), "XWorm is a quitter and he fucked it more than once" (When?), "For you the last round is for XWorm just because he is NNN right?" (I said last round should be replayed!), "You should not try to influence Penguin's decision" (Lawyers will disappear from this world with such way of thinking... maybe u are right). You assumed XWorm to be a quitter and we have no records about it, at least not in NNN, you cant say that man!
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Post by Saldanha on Sept 19, 2006 8:59:54 GMT
I only said that this problem was the same with other player, i am not going to remove the past. The same problem when the other player started.
when the round whit Gelete started X said: "oh oh".
If u dont see anything why "oh oh"? and if u saw the positions and after the screen was black, why u didnt want to start with 2 worms less and your turn? I still think the same, i dunno who is normaldes.
And if he see the first positions and after didnt want to put 2 worms less, and everithing is true, maybe he wasnt a quitter, maybe he isn't a Sir in worms, maybe he see for himself
I have said that i'm sorry for my thought about the rounds but i still think the same about that u say in this last message
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Post by MrTPenguin on Sept 19, 2006 12:21:51 GMT
They've both agreed to resume their game at 2-0 to XWorm, and will play someday soon.
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Post by XWorm on Sept 19, 2006 13:16:34 GMT
àø I only said that this problem was the same with other player, i am not going to remove the past. The same problem when the other player started. when the round whit Gelete started X said: "oh oh". If u dont see anything why "oh oh"? and if u saw the positions and after the screen was black, why u didnt want to start with 2 worms less and your turn? I still think the same, i dunno who is normaldes. And if he see the first positions and after didnt want to put 2 worms less, and everithing is true, maybe he wasnt a quitter, maybe he isn't a Sir in worms, maybe he see for himself I have said that i'm sorry for my thought about the rounds but i still think the same about that u say in this last message I have perfectly understood that you on party Gelete. I ONCE AGAIN REPEAT AT ALL THAT I HAVE told about the PROBLEM BEFORE GELETE HAVE BEGUN THE TURN. "oh no - black screen - iam sorry man - i see nothing - rehost plz". Therefore you would be silent is better. Damn. It has agreed also the first has left game. It was not against to make rehost. It has lost for 1 and 2 roundes. And it has left game 5 seconds prior to utter defeat. Both you and it have still the nerve to reproach me with something? And Gelete searches for any opportunity to play anew. It offered even such variant, to play the third round 8v5. It fu *** ing dirty game. NOBODY SAID THAT GELETE IS QUITER for that that it has left before defeat, but there is I said lie in the second round. All this has bothered me. Can discuss all this further. I shall play with it this devil's round, only because it will be happy if I shall leave cwt, and it remains in QUARTER-FINALS. Only I have no profile in CWT. Correctly, what for to listen to which person knows nobody. Listen to my opponent, it already participated in many tournaments, and at war in any ways. Gelete there can be you the good player, but you very bad friend and you not the man, you the crying small girl |
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Post by Saldanha on Sept 19, 2006 13:39:07 GMT
I remember that I didnt talk the first, I thought to left this to u Gelete and Penguin but if people start to talk to penguin about what's the right and the wrong then i have to talk too
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Post by XWorm on Sept 19, 2006 14:09:17 GMT
Well, good version about ' oh oh '. But it has not liked me. In the first message from SirG you heard trust (but 5v1 really ). Somebody can reproach me with lie here. And why it is interesting Gelete is silent, he so asked me that I did not create this topic. I have made as he asked. He has told no one words in the protection. Probably there is simply nothing to speak. I did not inform the Penguin that I have won 3:0, I hoped that he the reasonable person and can recognize the lost. Instead of it he has started to complain... And if not SirG, you and have not learned about it. Think above it too. |
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Post by Crespo on Sept 19, 2006 14:11:38 GMT
XWorm the reason why you haven't got any profile yet it's simply because I have been lazy to do it (sorry).
Since both the players agreed to play from 2-0 then discussion should be close to an end.
And yes someone should watch that last round as a spectator to avoid any further complications.
So stop the childish name-calling, please...
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Post by XWorm on Sept 19, 2006 14:44:01 GMT
You are right, I have agreed on these conditions. But I had to beat off attacks in my address in this topic. You too would not began to be silent. The further discussion will pass without my participation. If you all the same decide to make to me a profile, write to me on a mail. I am too very lazy, since on a horoscope - a lion. np  |
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