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Post by Dario on Sept 11, 2008 17:52:45 GMT
I had wirtten something, before that data loss, about stuff that we should think about for this tournament. Glitches and bugs:Some are easy not-to-do, some others happen many times by accident or it is not clear whether they were done intentionally. What are your thoughts about it?. I will mention the bugs/glitches/tricks that I remember at the moment, without considering how good or bad are them, just so that you get the full picture: 1. Mouse fast walk. 2. Putting your worms on top of the roof of a cave. 3. Bungee/chute from the upper half of a double cave to the bottom half. 4. Any kind of weapon thrown above the roof of a cave. 5. Bungee from jetpack. 6. Missiles through thin walls when your worm is standing next to it. 7. Guns (shotgun, uzi, etc) through a worm when you are standing close enough to it. 8. Bow/bat angle modifications (never seen it being done with rope, but who knows). 9. Glide. 10. Skunk double poison could. 11. All the bow, punch and dragon ball thingies desribed here: nnnclan.freeforums.org/the-worms-guide-t3.html12. Napalm strike vs Petrol bomb 13. Activating weapons like airstrikes or teleport with the spacebar instead of the mouse click. Any more possible with the latest update?, that reminds me of: Version of the gameSome minor bug fixes, a scroll locking features that I love and the accidentally newly implemented double poisoning by skunk (-10 health instead of -5) And one that coulnd't be missing: The schemeUnless people wants it without crates I assume we will be using the same scheme that was used for CWT 2007, right? TimekeepingI have no ideas here, just wishing the same old thing doesn't happen again.
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Post by Koras on Sept 11, 2008 19:31:59 GMT
My opinion opinion about Glitches and bugs: -Mouse fast walk. BUG!btw I prefer just jumping when need to hurry up:P -Putting your worms on top of the roof of a cave. to be honest I playing worms sicne more then 2 yeras and never saw that... -Bungee/chute from the upper half of a double cave to the bottom half. thats ok... btw who play intermediate at double cave? -Any kind of weapon thrown above the roof of a cave. Yeah why not, homing or zooka are very helpfull when SD comes. -Bungee from jetpack. No big deal, but that was always legal in CWT^^ -Missiles through thin walls when your worm is standing next to it. Its ok, I quess.. -Bow/bat angle modifications (never seen it being done with rope, but who knows). I dont really care about it:P but we have to ban some bugs so NO for angle modifications! -Glide .Could U tell me what it it? -Skunk double poison could. Illegal BUG i quess, just never seen that. -Napalm strike vs Petrol bomb. I think we shouldn't ban napalm when petrol is on the map... that was 'legal' since always. The scheme: I prefer luckless but cwt intermediate is fine too.. Timekeeping: At least one game per week, so 6 weeks for group stage, then just 1 week for every play off rounds.
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Post by Dario on Sept 12, 2008 11:31:26 GMT
Glide is when you jump to the left, it looks like your worm is about to land and then moves a little bit more in the air. It is a bug and there is nothing you can do about it.
The skunk bug can't be forbidden (imho) because you can't know if it was done intentionally or not in most cases.
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Post by Jigsaw on Sept 12, 2008 13:15:41 GMT
Dario, I changed dashes into numbers in your post, for easier refference, hope you don't mind now my opinions, which are no by any means decisive: 1. No, it has never been allowed in any league, it can't be done accidentaly 2. I would say no, same reason as above, but... look 4 3. That, on the other hand, has always been allowed. Koras has a good point though. 4. That has always been allowed too, but if we allow shooting weapons outside of the map, someone could ask why won't we allow to go out side with a worm... personally I'm against it 5. I don't care, I never do it but it is indeed useful sometimes 6. This one I like! It has always been allowed too 7. same as number 6 8. This one has never been allowed, I would leave it at that 9. It doesn't bring any profit or harm, no need to discuss imo 10. Havent seen this one yet, but if it happens accidentally it shouldn't be forbidden 11. Can't be bothered to read, allowed! 12. This we already discussed, a player can't be not allowed to use napalm only because someone use petrol earlier 13. hmm, what? If it's just a matter of what you click I'd say it's allowed, we don't want to forbid using F keys, do we what scroll locking features? I'm a little out of the context apparently Scheme it will be either CWT or NNN, I can't be bothere to introduce any changes this time. I'm going to wait for enough players to sign up and then will ask everyone what they prefer (through email, I'm going to check if the addresses work anyway) If certain majority decides to play nnn scheme so will it be Timekeeping, don't you worry I have ideas and no remorse!
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Post by Dario on Sept 12, 2008 14:06:51 GMT
for number 13: While you are jumping, select teleport or an airstrike and click somewhere on the screen. Afterwards you can walk, jump, etc and you cna activate the teleport/strike by pressing the spacebar. Nothing meaningful really, though it is useful if you have invisibility on. Just mentioning all I remember so that nobody gets a surprise that could cause conflicts during a game . Regards the patch: I see that scroll locking was implemented 2 betas ago, but I forgot to mention that in the latest 3.6.29 you are no longer allowed to playback the replay of the round you are currently playing. In previous versions that was a way of knowing what crates had inside, re-checking the enemy stock, worms order and not sure if it woulnd't allow you to see invisible worms too.
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Post by Johnmir on Sept 14, 2008 9:29:04 GMT
Hello, guys. There are my thoughts: 1. Mouse fast walk - is not allowed 2. Putting your worms on top of the roof of a cave - i don't actually know, haven't seen anyone doing it in a serious game and what advantage could it give, guys? Personally, don't see anything bad in it 3. Bungee/chute from the upper half of a double cave to the bottom half - it is okay, if we have some people who playes normal on a double cave (agree with Koras) 4. Any kind of weapon thrown above the roof of a cave - allowed 5. Bungee from jetpack - just don't know, it was banned before, i just don't care (liked this thing very much, before they banned it) 6. Missiles through thin walls when your worm is standing next to it - allowed 7. Guns (shotgun, uzi, etc) through a worm when you are standing close enough to it - allowed 8. Bow/bat angle modifications (never seen it being done with rope, but who knows) - it was banned before (i liked to use it also), should be banned i suppose 9. Glide - should be banned ( ) 10. Skunk double poison could - ouch, if it is uncontrolled thing, or we can't recognize if it was done intentionaly it shouldn't be banned 11. All the bow, punch and dragon ball thingies desribed here: nnnclan.freeforums.org/the-worms-guide-t3.html - sorry i haven't read that, yet 12. Napalm strike vs Petrol bomb - allowed 13. Activating weapons like airstrikes or teleport with the spacebar instead of the mouse click - allowed
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Post by doubletime on Sept 20, 2008 19:26:09 GMT
I think we could possibly play with no rules. If both players agree you can use any glitch you want. or ?
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Post by Koras on Sept 22, 2008 22:04:14 GMT
lol DT , I think we couldn't. Its very bad idea.
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Post by Albino on Sept 24, 2008 12:23:58 GMT
Some notes about articles: 2. Unfair!Definitely should not allowed in a league/tourney game,because it gives great advantage.If your opponent do that in game,you will be lost 99%, seriously. 4. It isn't a bug or glitch!In open maps you can do the same thing, lol.You just can't see what is happening in here at cave maps.
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Post by TerRoR on Sept 25, 2008 12:19:26 GMT
1) Fastwalk with mouse -- HELL NO!! It is simply cheating at its highest level. 2) Put worms on top of the cave barrier -- If you cant see this move coming you must have your head up your ass or be very drunk, also to do the preparation for this move you will put your worm in risk by putting it on the edge of the map, easy victim for the enemy, so i don't really care if its banned or not, but maybe make a fellows agreement for the use of this move? 3)Chute from upper to down half of the map -- It shouldn't be banned, its been used on team17 maps for as long as i can remember. 4)Weapons on/above the roof of the map -- It shouldn't be banned, its very useful and i don't see any harm in it. 5) Bungee from jetpack -- Not everybody likes this (including me ).. it should be agreed on at the start of the game. 6)Missile's trough thin walls -- It fails 9 of the 10 times and situations to use this bug are rare. Also i don't think it will give you much of an advantage, but i don't see any harm in it. 7)Shoot trough a worm when standing close enough to it -- Allow it. 8)Bow and bat angle modifications -- It should be banned for many reasons. First of all not everybody knows how to do this, so it gives unfair advantage. Second, i think its simply cheating, like the bungee/jetpack bug. There are more reasons why i think it shouldn't be allowed but i think i made my point. 9)Glide -- It is almost impossible to do this on command, often happens accidentally, and what advantage can it possibly give? 10)Skunk double poision -- This usually happens when u skunk someone and that person skunks himself again with his own skunk, when u play without crates that is. It is your own fault if it happens, your opponent cant possibly held responsible for this action, so i don't know why this is in the list anyway. 11)The use of bow, punch etc described in Dario's worms-guide -- I just see it as knowledge of the weapons, it is good to know everything about every weapon weapon. Allow it. 12)Napalm vs airstrike -- Lol picture this, you have to do a napalm attack, it is very important if you don't do it you will lose for sure. BUT!, you are locked in petrol fire. Ew what to do now? don't use napalm and lose because it is against the rules? COMMON thats ridiculous. I think i speak for everyone that this should be allowed. 13)Activating weapons like airstrikes or teleport with the space bar instead of the mouse click -- This gives advantage in what way? I personally don't care but there are always people with different opinions so i suggest a fellows agreement at the start of the game for the use of this bug.
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Post by Jigsaw on Sept 25, 2008 19:50:42 GMT
I just noticed that kisiro is using worms team with blank names, to preven the enemy from knowing worms order. While that is a double edged sword, because kisiro doesnt know the order too (or does he?) I think using extra programs like hex editors and unofficial modifications should not be allowed. My question - is it possible to leave blank names without any extra software? any other thoughts?
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Post by Albino on Sept 26, 2008 7:39:27 GMT
is it possible to leave blank names without any extra software? any other thoughts? You can do it with TeamED. I think using extra programs like hex editors and unofficial modifications should not be allowed. I agree.
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Post by Dario on Sept 26, 2008 16:23:25 GMT
The game itself won't allow you (as far as I know) to have worms with no name or the same name as another worm. I agree on the those extra things not being allowed, including transparent water.
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Post by Jigsaw on Sept 29, 2008 10:07:27 GMT
Time to settle a final verdict (based on opinions of the people who actually expressed them) 1. Mouse fast walk. - Not allowed 2. Putting your worms on top of the roof of a cave. - Not allowed 3. Bungee/chute from the upper half of a double cave to the bottom half. - Allowed 4. Any kind of weapon thrown above the roof of a cave. - Allowed 5. Bungee from jetpack. - Agree before the game (preferably when round 1 starts, so it is visible on replay) 6. Missiles through thin walls when your worm is standing next to it. - Allowed 7. Guns (shotgun, uzi, etc) through a worm when you are standing close enough to it. - Allowed 8. Bow/bat angle modifications (never seen it being done with rope, but who knows). - Not allowed 9. Glide. - Unavoidable = Allowed 10. Skunk double poison could. Unavoidable = Allowed 11. All the bow, punch and dragon ball thingies desribed here: nnnclan.freeforums.org/the-worms-guide-t3.html - Allowed 12. Napalm strike vs Petrol bomb - napalm is Allowed at any moment 13. Activating weapons like airstrikes or teleport with the spacebar instead of the mouse click. Allowed if you are bothered 14. using extra software for getting blank names, unusually big graves, and what not is NOT ALLOWED Scheme will be decided on really really soon. Anything else?
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Post by Fantomas on Sept 29, 2008 15:54:30 GMT
I think we should allow more schemes in the group stage (Pro, Tournament, maybe Elite and Team17...at least first 2 will be good). And a person playing his home game should notify his opponent beforehand about the chosen scheme to let him familiarize himself with it.
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