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Post by Kayz on Oct 8, 2012 20:23:19 GMT
Why did it lose its sense? Totally wrong. With Koras and Mablak being the top 2, if they win their groups, we got a fair dividing. But still I disagree with you Koras, the subjective ranking is a long term thing, so if someone is in top of the group it sometimes doesn't mean shit, because as you said, everyone can have a bad day
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2012 22:17:50 GMT
Original idea was to split two favorits. The poll/the subjective ranking determined you and mablak as the two favorits. The outcome in my upper scenario is different, thats why I say its lost a sense. but wayne.
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Post by Kayz on Oct 10, 2012 21:10:48 GMT
Ok I talked to Zemke. Personally I find it a bit unfair, that I get divided with Mablak, because I reach only 2nd in group stage, but..
I agree with Khamski and Zemke, that a single game doesn't say anything about the efforts and merits a single player achieved in his worming career, also Koras said, and I agree there,too: Everyone has shitty days and plays worse than usually.
Another point is, that 4 experts all agreed that Mablak and me should be divided, and that's because of long-term past achievements and long-term playing improvement.
I am Head Mod, but I won't decide a change in the rules, because I am involved, but we might change this for future CWTs, but that's not relevant now, so this year we apply to the rule, and divide Mablak and Kayz in separate branches.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2012 7:37:42 GMT
so this year we apply to the rule, and divide Mablak and Kayz in separate branches. This contradicts ... your own "obvious" idea. ... our pre-tournament talks. ... the achievement principle of a tourney. Why? You get favoured over 7 group winners. Although they brought their performance when it was necessary, they get disadvantaged to a 2nd placed guy. Seriously, we can abolish group stage for the favorits, when they don't have to bear the same consequences of "shitty days" like the rest of participants have to do.
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Post by Random on Oct 11, 2012 18:57:23 GMT
[quote author=xazadxjoschi board=2012 thread=528 post=9057 You get favoured over 7 group winners. Although they brought their performance when it was necessary, they get disadvantaged to a 2nd placed guy.[/quote]
errr.... no?! Kayz will still have to face a group winner in the first knockout stage, whereas the group winners wont have to. Apart from the fact, that I dont like this system at all (just have a look at the WC in football, its a similar system compared to CWT, but they don't have such an unnecessary rule, but thats some other thing...), I dont see any reason why Kayz (or Mablak) should be replaced if they both make it into knockouts stage...
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Post by khamski on Oct 11, 2012 19:46:03 GMT
I still don't get why top players should be changed. It is so stupid. Joschi is playing better than Kayz? No.. chuvash is playing better than Kayz? No.. Koras is playing better than Kayz? No.FaD is playing better then Kayz? No.*drums* Nappy is playing better than Kayz? *hysterical laugh*Don't be stupid. Mablak and Kayz are the best here. Go and watch their last damn game. And shut up forever.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2012 22:58:49 GMT
In post #1 Kayz saies twice, that he just forgot to add the explanation, how the rule will apply, when one of top2 get second in his group. But it's "obvious", that top2 player have to be first in their groups, if they want to profit of this filer. This was final word n°1.
After two days Kayz speaks final word n°2. After a chat with khamski and Zemke. It contradicts in everything final word n°1 and our pre-tournament agreements. Hell, is this the way we set up our rules? After the tournament has started? Throwing aboard agreements, which are results of long discussions before the tournament? This is a mess, but not rule setting.
I can hardly accept this.
And yes Random, he is favoured, he can exclud that he has to play vs top1 player. I think this is a privilige, that you have only earned, when you brought your best performance during the tournament.
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Post by Koras on Oct 12, 2012 6:43:37 GMT
I still don't get why top players should be changed. It is so stupid. Joschi is playing better than Kayz? No.. chuvash is playing better than Kayz? No.. Koras is playing better than Kayz? No.FaD is playing better then Kayz? No.*drums* Nappy is playing better than Kayz? *hysterical laugh*Don't be stupid. Mablak and Kayz are the best here. Go and watch their last damn game. And shut up forever. lol yesterday i played ONL PO game vs Mablak 3:2 for him, everyone won his "starting" round. He is not a GOD atm, just like U.... me and others pls dont change decisions too often, especially since U are involved... and there is cash prize ;D I think its unfair to give U easier way to final just because U were very active in last ONL year but failed here(yes just a single game, its turney SD!!!).If there wont be another suprise U will be 2nd so U may play in first round of PO vs Chuvash,Joschi, me or even Mablak like in last year. Thats TOP 5 of your ranking. bl but its your own fault... trust me I am not happy and dont want to play vs U in first round too
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Post by Kayz on Oct 12, 2012 13:05:43 GMT
Well Joschi I changed this "final word" as you call it, which wasn't a final word, because Zemke didn't want to change the rules now, after CWT started. Why you blame me? I said something here, before I discussed it with Zemke, I apologize for that. I found it unfair, but I just won't decide that. If you want to change it Joschi, do it, but don't fucking blame me all the time... All you can do is moaning and criticizing, but then instead you could just do something about this case. I won't, because I am involved. You are a mod, too, if you forgot that
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2012 16:26:14 GMT
I'd love to remain true to the results of our pre-tournament discussion. So what I am going to do - with your permission - is not to change the rule, but to complete them. This is the rule you and me had in our minds starting the tournament. Knockout Stage Mode: Last sixteen pairs will be drawn, with 3 restrictions: 1. The top 2 of the subjective ranking won't be in the same branch.* (new!) 2. Place one will always play against place two. 3. Players from the same group won't clash in the 1/8 finals.
*Only group winners can profit of this restriction.All you can do is moaning and criticizing, but then instead you could just do something about this case. I won't, because I am involved. Well, sorry, but in this case you did it two times, doubling back on yourself.
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Post by Kayz on Oct 13, 2012 10:56:32 GMT
I give you the permission to complete this rule. Case closed
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Post by Tade on Oct 13, 2012 12:24:20 GMT
I am sorry Khamski but your previous post suck!
How can you said who is better than who? By your own personal thought? chuvash is not better, koras is not better... How is Kayz better than Koras? Both have been one time second in CWT, both have great results, but one of them is first in group and one is second.
I agree Kayz is one of best wormers around with lots of experience but from beginning i am saying the same thing. This is a tournament that happens once in year. If you have a shitty day you have a shitty day. Nothing can change that. That is why is so entertaining.
Kayz first you said that you wont be in dividing because you are second, and now you change opinion? In my way of view you are trying to make easyer way into the finals by avoiding possible Mablak draw. Sorry mate but to me it looks that way.
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Post by Kayz on Oct 13, 2012 14:34:51 GMT
No Tade you got me wrong.
1st: I didn't change my opinion, I still have the opinion that I don't deserve to be in the dividing
2nd: I wrote that I won't be in the same branch because Zemke didn't want to change the rules, so I just gave you his point of view.
3rd: Now I give Joschi the permission to complete the rule I had in mind before the tourney started, that the dividing only counts for group winners.
So tell me, where did I change my opinion?
Btw I almost laughed that you think I want to avoid Mablak... lol man I want to get gold so I must win everyone anyway. Don't be ridiculous, I am not a lame player, and I never was.
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Post by Koras on Oct 13, 2012 16:40:56 GMT
relax Kayz... i am the one who really know how hard is to be a mod but also a player. We are not calling U lame player, it's just may look for some people like that.... cause Mablak beat you in quarterfinal of previous CWT.
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Post by Tade on Oct 14, 2012 7:02:39 GMT
Kayz mate i am not saying that you are lame, i am just saying how all this thing looks to me. Do you see this all thing about dividing 2 players was not planned good because we have this conversation...
But one thing is lame, and that is: Joschi is playing better than Kayz? No.. chuvash is playing better than Kayz? No.. Koras is playing better than Kayz? No. FaD is playing better then Kayz? No.
*drums* Nappy is playing better than Kayz? *hysterical laugh*
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