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Post by MrTPenguin on Jan 28, 2003 16:54:44 GMT
Am I right in presuming that "cheat-walking" is illegal in Tournament games? If you don't know what it is, it's a small bug in the game: if you right-click rapidly as you walk, then you speed up slightly.
Would it possible for a list of official "dos-and-donts" to be written somewhere?
Mr P.
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Post by UrbanSpaceman on Jan 29, 2003 11:15:22 GMT
The beauty of the "normal" (intermediate, pro, elite etc) game modes is that they work perfectly well without the need for rules: it's the "no holds barred" attitude that made Worms great in the first place. Things like ABL, KTL, and anti-darksiding rules are necessary for roper and BnG type games, but would outright ruin a normal game.
However, I agree with Penguin that players should not exploit bugs in the system to their advantage. As this is nigh-on impossible to enforce or prove, we will have to leave it to the wormers in the tournament to have the honour and decency to refrain from using such lame, illegal tricks. So yeah, cheat walking does suck, so don't do it, but otherwise, players should feel free to darkside, cluster-abuse, and otherwise win the game however it can be won. Of course, we'll have to wait for Crespo to give an official opinion on whether it is allowed or not.
If anyone knows of any other bugs along the lines of cheat walking, please reply to this thread with a description of the bug and why it should be illegal.
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Post by Simon on Jan 29, 2003 16:58:04 GMT
[glow=green,5,0]What about flying sheep of the side of a cavern, round the top of the screen and coming back in the other side? I hate it, hate it hate it and to my mind it is another bug that should have been taken out as it defies the form and rules of the weapon/terrain.[/glow]
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Post by HHC on Jan 29, 2003 17:35:25 GMT
I don't think there's anything wrong with super sheeping around the map. That's no bug imo, parasailing down the sides perhaps is, but even that should be made legal as it has been incorporated into default games (players make sure the opponent can't kill his worms by parasailing down).
I'm not too fond about the cluster abuse, but i can live with it being there.
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Post by Simon on Jan 29, 2003 19:48:53 GMT
[glow=green,5,0]I say that if it’s not in the "Spirit" of the game then it should not be allowed. I certainly don’t think flying a sheep out of the game area falls in to that category. Anything that enters that area is meant to be dead. Team 17 just didn’t think that people would sink that low when they wrote the game. I admit that the game has grown in ways that they could not possibly imagine but in my honest opinion ANYTHING out side the official playing area shouldn’t not be allowed. I have no issues with close up clusters in confined spaces if that is what you mean by 'Cluster Abuse'.[/glow]
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Post by kortren on Jan 29, 2003 22:55:57 GMT
I would only consider abusing the true glitches as cheating, besides any tournament rules such as the forming of alliances in crucial games. The glitches that I have seen so far are speed-walking, bungeeing from mid-air and landing your worms on top of the indestructible barrier. I'm not sure if I've witnessed what you call parasailing. However, I consider that shooting weapons which return from beyond the screen is far from being a glitch; I'm quite sure that T17 programmed that intentionally, or else it would have been an easy bug to find and eliminate. I would recommend that you practice doing it, but if you prefer not to, then you would have to reach an agreement with the other players so that it is not used during your games.
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Post by MrTPenguin on Jan 30, 2003 12:18:51 GMT
I believe that if Team17 knowingly programmed something, then it should be legal (eg's cluster "abuse", weapons off-screen in caverns). I never cheat-walk in remotely serious games, and will frown upon anyone who does it against me.
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Post by Crespo on Jan 30, 2003 15:22:09 GMT
Yo guys, I just read the whole topic now and I'm thinking about this... Well one thing is for sure: anyone who takes advantage of any kind of bugs is certainly cowing cuz' a good normal wormer must know how to take the victory with giving themselves up to the cowside. If anyone does cowing you better pray hoping that I will never know... Now, another question comes: what should be considered as a bug? In my opinion speed-walking and bungeeing from mid-air and landing your worms on top of the indestructible barrier is very very ILEGAL!! Those are unquestionable bugs in the game's code. But sheeping out of the cave... I might as well consider it a bug but it isn't. As Kortren said if that was a bug then it would be a very big bad bug Team 17 should fix right away. But it isn't a bug... Just think... When you baseball bat a worm and it goes flyin' off the cave you see she goes somewhere cuz' you have the numbers telling you the distance and height until she falls down to the murky depths, so that tells you that there is space off the cave although it's forbidden to the worms. But anything that's not a worm might go through it, like super-sheeps, missiles, magic bullets and others. So my veredict is that speed-walking and bungeeing from mid-air and landing your worms on top of the indestructible barrier is forbidden!! Don't do it, otherwise you better leave the tournament before I find out... But you can enjoy your sheep-flying outside the cave or other weapons maneuvering outside the cave. Hope you like my opinion.
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Post by Simon on Jan 30, 2003 16:34:13 GMT
[glow=red,5,0] Cres Sez: ... Just think... When you baseball bat a worm and it goes flyin' off the cave you see she goes somewhere cuz' you have the numbers telling you the distance and height until she falls down to the murky depths, so that tells you that there is space off the cave although it's forbidden to the worms. But anything that's not a worm might go through it, like super-sheeps, missiles, magic bullets and others. [/glow] [glow=green,5,0] When you put it like that Cres, I agree with you. Nothing wrong with the sheep thing. Hell, you can even fly them out of the visible playing are of an open map. Buuuuuut.... one niggling little point... The bungee in mid air thing... Everyone seems to agree that it's a bug (including me) yeah? But you can't tell me that it wouldnt be easy to patch that one, so why did they do it in the first patch eh? eh? eh? Maybe we just have to think ;DOUTSIDE ;D the bubble kids... Here we are telling each other about flying sheep and indestructable barriers.. but the concept of a bungee in mid air is too much? Should it really be dis-allowed just because its not possible in real life? If was a mission in the game that could be completed by using it I bet none of us would think twice and just boing away. If someone can come out with an agrument other than ' It's not meant to happen', lets hear it!
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P.P.S. Unreal 2 is around. <--- and its bollocks.
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Post by Jigsaw on Feb 4, 2003 12:24:53 GMT
what about rope knocking? its not cheat but i dont like it anyway, playing in party time channel is a good idea imo
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Post by Simon on Feb 4, 2003 12:31:02 GMT
[glow=green,5,0]Sorry but IMHO rope knocking is a required skill in worms. I really never understood what people have against it.. Learn it or die.[/glow]
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Post by Jigsaw on Feb 4, 2003 16:23:53 GMT
i suppose i have to die then
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