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Post by Teletubbies on Oct 14, 2004 9:18:26 GMT
I’ve been trying to work out a technique to see how much the random placing of worms affects the outcome of the game. My technique goes like this; I’ve found that one side wins a lot more easily than the other. Sometimes you look at the positions of one team and think that team doesn’t stand a chance, but then it goes on to win. It is very strange, there seems to be no real pattern but I find that in a game one team wins a lot more easily than the other. I can’t say why this happens, is it me, or something else? The reason why I started this is that I can play only very irregularly at the moment and I can’t seem to get many good games online, also I don’t know far enough in advance when I’m playing so organising a game with a CWT player is hard.
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Post by Teletubbies on Oct 14, 2004 9:19:17 GMT
I just wanted this to be my 100th post
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Actually I've posted many more times than this, but my profile was reset by accident in 2002
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Crespo
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Post by Crespo on Oct 14, 2004 10:46:49 GMT
As far statistics can help us the number of tests should be very big for that to be a confident test result...
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Post by fury on Oct 14, 2004 12:58:28 GMT
What Teletubbies said is true IMO, random placement really makes the result random. And there are so many factors to take into account that you usually can't tell who will win, except if there are some real disadvantage at the beginning (for example 3 worms killed in the first turn). One day I played against Ashmallum and it was incredible, it was a complex cave with very little space and a thin ground above the water. About all my worms were on this thin ground whereas almost all of his worms were on the top of the map, quite safe. I thought it was lost already, well in fact, thanks to some barrels, some good ideas and a nice strategy, I won the round, and Ashmallum didn't play bad at all... whereas he sometimes wins some rounds where the placement is quite equal for both teams. Weird game...
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Post by MrTPenguin on Oct 14, 2004 17:35:28 GMT
It's rare for an 8v8-worm round to be a forgone conclusion. When such situations do arise, there's a 50:50 chance it will your team that's in trouble, so the luck therefore averages out over time/games. For 4v4- and 5v5-worm normal games (like elite and pro) self-placement is advised, but for full-blown 8v8 (like intermediate and blast zone), placing 16 worms per round is too tedious. And I'd rather lose a round now-and-again due to unfortunate placements than play tight shotgun battles all the time. Oh yes, couple of things TT: 1) nice banner , and 2) you can't simulate a two-man game on your own, coz you always know what your "opponent" is gonna do.
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Post by Teletubbies on Oct 14, 2004 21:17:27 GMT
!) Thanks MrP about the banner. 2) I think as long as you play your best for each side it works out fairly evenly. I take your point, that's why I pick teams I'm not attached to, that way you don't try harder for one side rather than the other. Even knowing what you are going to do, as long as it's your best move still counts in my book.
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Post by Jigsaw on Oct 14, 2004 21:43:26 GMT
still you always know how many ropes other team has, that eliminates elements of surprise and insecurity, gl in researches though
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Post by Teletubbies on Oct 15, 2004 20:22:11 GMT
Hail worm master Jiggers, I always know how many ropes my opponent has as I write it down during a CWT match, and the other weapons they use. Whoops there goes another trade secret
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fury
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Post by fury on Oct 15, 2004 20:38:14 GMT
The problem with playing against yourself is that it's not exactly as if you played against your clone... you can never wisely think of your next turn! This has a side effect on strategy.
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Post by Teletubbies on Oct 15, 2004 22:12:50 GMT
Yes, but I think it evens out over a number of games. The general point I am trying to make is that, surprisingly, one team tends to win a lot more easily than the other.
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Post by Teletubbies on Oct 24, 2004 18:06:21 GMT
Hey I'm really curious to find out, has anybody tried the random placings test? If so what didi you find? Was it easier for one team rather than another?
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Post by fury on Oct 24, 2004 18:56:51 GMT
Yes, I agree with you on that. During my recent "no internet" period in Canada I played many games against my self and yes, about 50% of the times it was much easier for a team to win. But it's quite funny to notice that in some rounds, I screw up everything with one team and don't make any mistake with another!
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Post by Teletubbies on Oct 25, 2004 10:32:29 GMT
Thanks, Fury. It's nice to see someone else has had similar experiences. I was thinking, is it just me or am I loosing my mind.
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Post by fury on Oct 25, 2004 13:24:35 GMT
Thanks, Fury. It's nice to see someone else has had similar experiences. I was thinking, is it just me or am I loosing my mind. Naaaaaaah... Or perhaps that is your TeleTubby disguise who makes you less convincing! Make the old wise man in you shine! Seriously I think that you didn't get so much interest because we're out of the Worms season. I don't know about you, but though I still read the forums regularly, I don't play Worms more than a few times a month. Time for a break.
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Post by Nyctalope on Oct 26, 2004 16:25:22 GMT
I did few games "me vs me" last year. I had the same result. About 3 worms left sometimes, with 2 indifferent teams. But it should be very boring to place 8 wrms at each round...
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