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Post by Voodoo on Mar 20, 2005 18:41:00 GMT
I can't be arsed to write the full story down, but here's what I sent to Crespo: ----------------- Round 1... Left outlook open, so I crashed and had to reboot, no moves were made, even with a blank screen I pressed pg down and typed "ive crashed" then quit. He wouldn't have had time to do anything. Aquas go first, agreed because he said it was when I crashed. Once rebooted, Voodoo won convincingly by baseball batting his last worm into the water. Round 2... Voodoo's go first. Voodoo thrashed aquaworm, he made several mistakes, and voodoo was knocking them dead in 2's. Voodoo had 8 worms left and aqua 2, then as voodoo was due to kill another worm, aqua quit! This would have left the game with 8 worms to 1, on an open landscrape, with no chance of draw, victory for aqua. This is seriously unfair, He will not rehost the last round minus 6 worms, the round was over, there was no chance of a come back. In cwt2003 myself and HHC had a similar problem, I simply resigned and let HHC continue. The only way to make this fair is to rehost 8-2, with my go first (aqua wouldn't agree to this). I was really pissed off because when I closed down worms, he was already signed in on messenger - this is very suspect, and in my opinion he must have quit. Please use your words of wisdom, and mark this game as 2-0. Thank you, Voodoo -------------------------------- In cwt2003 something similar happened between me and HHC... i moaned my ass off for ages before doing the sportmanship-like thing, and let HHC continue. I sure hope the right outcome occurs here. Its not that I don't understand the rules as they stand, its just that the game was over, there was NO chance of a come back.
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Post by AquaWorm on Mar 20, 2005 22:39:51 GMT
Let me give you my vision. Round1. I'm going first (for the first time since cwt started), killed two worms - finally luck is on my side, but... wtf, i see voodoo's disconnected and not connecting again. There are rules and I cant argue against them - I agree to replay this round from the beginning. Now Voodoo is more lucky and win the round (no disconnects). Round2. Voodoo's first and get the advantage. Wwp prog crashed from my side. Sure, very suspicious. But it could happen anytime. So, wwp prog suddenly closed and I turned on MSN. Then Voodoo logged in. Now Voodoo dont wont to use official rules as I done it in first round. I had also the same situation when I was winning and my opponent disconnected in the qualifying tourney. I hard offered him to be fair and replay the game starting with the state when game crashed (map was saved), or at least replay with the same worms amount. But he was impregnable and the rules were against me and I had to replay the round from the beginning. I have also asked Crespo to correct the rules regarding such situations and make some another corrections. Agree that players may not follow the rules if both of them agree and consider such way fair. But current situation is not so. If Voodoo want to replay second round from the state when game crashed, I'll play it if he also replay first round with 8 to 6 worms as it was when he disconnected. Once again ask Crespo to make changes in the rules to prevent such disputes. And make obligatory non-random positions in intermediate. And aqua sheep enabled
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Post by AquaWorm on Mar 20, 2005 22:45:52 GMT
"WHEN CONNECTION BREAKS...
If a connection breaks during a game, game must be restarted a.s.a.p. with the score continued (if a game between wormer X and wormer Y is 1-0 and goes down, then when restarted wormer X needs only to win his second round)."
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Post by HHC on Mar 21, 2005 1:11:09 GMT
If i recall correctly, i did have a chance to comeback in that game. The map wasn't open and i still had a chance with darksiding, and that's really how i win 80% of my games.
I also offered to give you some advantage, so that the actual game balance was restored, but apparently you gave yourself much more chances in that game than i did. So i refused to play your set up and you refused to play mine. Then you complained at crespo, didn't get what you wanted and left the tourney with an angry face. Ah well, it wasn't my prob anyway ;D
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Post by Voodoo on Mar 21, 2005 12:54:38 GMT
If i recall correctly, i did have a chance to comeback in that game. The map wasn't open and i still had a chance with darksiding, and that's really how i win 80% of my games. I also offered to give you some advantage, so that the actual game balance was restored, but apparently you gave yourself much more chances in that game than i did. So i refused to play your set up and you refused to play mine. Then you complained at crespo, didn't get what you wanted and left the tourney with an angry face. Ah well, it wasn't my prob anyway ;D lol. I'm not scared to admit I spat my dummy out. Came around in the end though, and did the sportmanlike thing.
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Post by Crespo on Mar 21, 2005 14:01:57 GMT
Here’s my decision on the crisis situation relating the game AquaWorm vs Voodoo:
I will consider the game to have the result of AquaWorm 0 – 2 Voodoo. The wormer from Latvia might not like it but here’s the facts and opinions:
On round 1 Voodoo crashes right has he entered the game. Apparently, AquaWorm was the first to move and made 2 kills before he saw Voodoo’s worms waving the flag…However the game didn’t actually started and they restarted 8 to 8 and correctly done the procedure by doing it that way. Voodoo won that round. AquaWorm calls it luck and I must remember everyone that luck is a part of the game.
On round 2 it seems that Voodoo had the upper side and reached a 8 worms to 2 situation, which is a kind of unseen situation in a CWT match these days… Now did the Latvian boy tried to use the “disconnection rule” (if the game is disconnected then the round is restarted) in a desperate move in order to avoid the inevitable loss?
Then if so bad luck and he definitely deserves to lose that round, if not then you may want to restart the round at 8 worms to 2 with voodoo going first. The reason why I don’t tell you to go by the rule is exactly because the rule is not perfect and it was discussed previously in the message board about this missing thing in the rule, which is about the cases when someone gets disconnected (or disconnects on purpose to avoid loss) in late game when the losing wormer is getting his arse kicked so bad... This is one of those cases.
Well, like it or not, it’s end of story.
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Post by AquaWorm on Mar 21, 2005 16:38:31 GMT
Okay. But will you correct the rules or keep posibility to damage games with disconnects or software crashes? So, if 8 vs 2 we dont replay, but if 2 to 1, 4 to 2 or something like that we have to use rules? We all know, that even one extra wormie could determine the result. Furthermore I think who plays first in the first round gets considerable advantage and we must regulate this factor also.
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