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Post by Kayz on Nov 21, 2012 6:40:49 GMT
Hey, we tried CWT 2012 without Deadlines to see if all games will be played in time, which resulted in waiting 3 weeks to be able to start the playoffs.
That wasn't optimal, so we want to ask you if you want a Deadline for: The playoffs now / Group stage for future CWTs.
You're also welcome to write something here. Thanks
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Post by Crespo on Nov 21, 2012 11:52:02 GMT
Although I am not playing, I have been watching closely what's hapenning in CWT12 and considering what we usually went throught regarding timekeeping in the past, I say this edition of CWT has been running very smoothly in my opinion.
Plus, like everyone sees, sometimes stuff happens and games need to be rescheduled (chuvash x koras, Kayz x Tade, etc.).
I think even players that are inactive in terms of AG appearances (Ivo, Johnmir, etc.) made their job well.
It's only my opinion, a past host that was troubled with long timekeeping problems.
Cheers,
Crespo
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Post by Zemke on Nov 21, 2012 18:00:04 GMT
For me the top priority is to have all 64 games played. I'd wait for a single game a couple of days just to achieve that. Probably that's nothing good to read for persons who take advantage of that, but that's just my goal. If there was a deadline, I'd be the kind person to allow games past it.
It does also remain questionable whether the delay has been cause of the non-existing deadline. I don't think we should do that step back after one year of trying something. Let's better figure out ways to improve this. As of my part I'm sure there are plenty of tweaks the website could offer to improve activity.
I'm sure moving forward with the current system has more potential to rise activity than doing this one step backwards.
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Post by Kayz on Nov 21, 2012 18:52:29 GMT
I agree with both of you. The poll looks pretty like "No Deadlines please" at the moment. The three weeks waiting time still were a thing to improve, I bet there is a way without deadlines to achieve that, like talking to the players, asking for reasons why they didn't play, and act then, after everything's clear. Mostly it's just the lack of communication. Still I thought this poll was a must, after being called a bad and unqualified mod and blamed for missing deadlines  Seems like it wasn't so necessary after all |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2012 10:07:57 GMT
I wonder why you continue the story, that deadlines mean technical wins (I take that as a sign, how useless discussions can be sometimes). CWT2011 knew strict deadlines and it was first edition with 100% played games. Deadlines would give rights to engaged players. Deadlines would rise attention to whole tournament. Deadlines bring discipline. Because it's annoying to get no message from your next opponent.
Deadlines wouldn't replace personal chats with players. Only bad moderators would make this interpretation.
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Post by Kayz on Nov 25, 2012 21:46:42 GMT
I never said that they should replace the communication. I also didn't use the term "technical wins" here in this thread. Again you are twisting words, and making false assumptions. You are indeed a not suitable person to talk about any important matter.  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2012 22:28:03 GMT
I didn't talk to you. Did you feel involved? Funny poll by the way. A quick conclusion within 12 hours but after a couple of day nobody shows a lot of interest  |
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Post by Zemke on Dec 3, 2012 5:59:58 GMT
Aw, sorry for my late answer. Shame on me. :<
Okay, Joschi, I guess your post was addresses to me then. Yeah, I think we've had the discussion about deadlines privately. Excuse me for remembering so barely. I take private talks very seriously as they become basically the only platform for applying changes to the tournament. The "There's a problem, let's do a poll about it"-approach worked in the 00s. I don't know what's wrong nowadays. People have opinions, but they don't submit them. A poll with seven votes of a tournament with 32 participants and several spectators can't be taken as anything.
I'm not a supporter of neither deadlines or no deadlines. I didn't essentially want to say that technical wins are caused by deadlines. Just be bold of what our all goal is: We want 64 games played in every year of CWT.
2011 was a major success, 2012 isn't worse. I think when we need more days of getting 64 games played than in 2011, it doesn't mean there have been bad moderators. But of course I can understand the annoyance of waiting for an opponent for so long once you've yourself shown how quickly it can work.
As a webmaster I can do my part of rising activity and narrowing 64 games to smaller time span. I will do my best. What will you do as a moderator?
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Seems like it wasn't so necessary after all
