SirGorash
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Post by SirGorash on Jan 12, 2007 22:18:25 GMT
John: - So you never pay attention to wich opponent's worm goes next? I think you do, and thats knowing at least something of your opponent's team order. how many times you blocked an enemy worm who is going to play next? thats knowing at least partial information of your opponent's team order, and dont say you never did that kind of trick  - You didnt say a word about memorizing the weapons your opponent uses like ropes, jet, LG and select worms, specially those. Dont you pay attention to those items? Again i think you do. - About SD, as u said you have some tactics. Like i do, i never said i count second by second thats too hard and freak to do, aswell as useless cause its not guaranteed who is going to take SD after clock is 0:00 - And im pretty sure you have multiple-turn tactics John, you dont stick to just the current turn or am i wrong? thats what differentiates a noob from a real pro, thinking ahead as precise as possible, and of course retreat is a way of thinking ahead, you hide to avoid or complicate your enemy from killing you next. I take a piece of paper to help me remember those things you do with your memory, thats all. If im not wrong i remember read somewhere in this forum that Teletubbies used to write down items used by his opponent, that was years ago so its nothing new and strange. Finally mate i dont really care about playing with or without crates cause most of time they are useless, but if i have to chose i chose without. But Jigsaw justified crates in the same way we justify Random Placement and thats totally different stuff, also, being killed by help of chute or donkey means the same you are dead. And you can bet i know wich crates has more potential to turn around a game. What i want to point is that any crate can do that, thats what ive been saying and if people cant understand what i mean thats people problem, not mine. PS: The only things i write down are select worms, ropes, jet and LG. About SD in WA i expect it starting from turn 21 with highest probability in turn 23. Thats all my matrix, writting, calculations, counting and strange things that makes my problem. |
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Post by khamski on Jan 13, 2007 10:03:04 GMT
It is the destiny of every game and every competetive sport...
P R O G R E S S
Players get better and better every day
TACTICS
STRATEGY
TECHNICS
TIPS
TRICKS
HINTS
MAKING NOTES OIN PAPER
COUNTING TIME TO SD
E V E R Y T H I N G
goes for RAISING THE LEVEL OF PLAYING
IT"S COOL!
It's not bad or less fun
It's just more brainwork
And i respect that
Concerning scheme fixing:
I wanna ask Dario how did he won 99% of league games
playing HIS scheme or standard?
if second then... hmm... no need to remove crates...
If blind luck didn't prevent Dario from wining most of his games
Then it says that... INTERMEDIATE IS PERFECTLY BALANCED!
Hop u guys got my point
*edit:
of couse that cluster power in wa must be reduced
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Post by MrTPenguin on Jan 13, 2007 10:56:36 GMT
I like the argument at the end of your last post, khamski. I'd like to add three things re crates, for the pro side: 1) with crates, the issue of collect-or-attack comes into the game. This adds another nice feature to the game. 2) there's the issue of securing the drop zones; if you occupy most of the land, chances are you'll get the crate. If it's 3 v 1 worm, and a donkey lands, chances are the 3-worm man will get it, so the game won't be "inverted" as the anti-crate people worry about. 3) if you're on the verge of losing a game, you can "live in hope" of a crate. One of the great excitements for me in worms is when I'm close to losing and a crate lands near me. It's ususally shit, but nvm that  I've been pleased by the depth of this debate so far. I have to say, though, that crates are almost certainly gonna stay. A poll will probably be started hear to get the proper democratic decision. |
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Johnmir
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Post by Johnmir on Jan 14, 2007 10:39:37 GMT
Khamski! Exactly, I totally agree with you, if you know how to play - nothing can brake your way, is it cwt or NNN league. So, in my opinion, it's ok to leave x2 and bananas. We played this way all the time. As i remeber, when we started, SirG, it was everyone's personal choice (!) use or not to use crates. Bytor didn't use, for example, and i respected him for this decision, just cause it was his personal choice. Think about people, who start playing. Will they have this interest? They need to take their own decision! Okay, after all, i wanna stress: we play intermediate, and we actually haven't got any right to change this scheem. Let's then have not normal tourney, but cwt scheme tourney. Yes cluster should be reduced, ONLY cause we got used to play wwp and it is a real disbalance (we just choose a version of a game - we are kinda picking wwp intermediate scheme). I want people to use crates, i want people to play like they want to. That is why I said and repeat again: i respect your interest to SD and such things. And yes, SirG, you are right, it is almost the same as we all do, you just pay more attention to it. LOL, I never knew how many selects my opponent had LOOL. (really big problem for me, dunno why). Well, it really VERY reraly broke my games though... Well, after all I saw here, after thinking about every opinion, I can finally say my vote about it (officially to MrTP): 1. Cluster's power should be reduced. 2. Crates shouldn't be changed in any way. (x2, bananas, holies, super sheeps - it's all an intermediate scheme as it was created by founders of a game in wwp and in wa) 3. Bugs like Bungee+jet, bow shot upper Pi/4  , girder kill and other things, which obviosly weren't specially done by the creators, should be banned. And also wanna add that I agree with you, SirG, I realized your opinion now, but i still do not deny my words about spirit. By the way, I can fairly say that 'clock on the screen' (Jigsaw's idea) is just the same thing. Jigsaw, we talked and i thought about it, clock is not the best idea, in my opinion, everyone play a way he want to, if you disagree better way to start count yourself, then trying to forbid it. 'clock on a screen' - 'forbidding crates' : the same type of problems, just the same guys. Nice dog! MrTP! ;D |
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Post by GeneralHorn on Jan 17, 2007 0:27:22 GMT
Puh, hi again! Me now not reading EVERY word, but nearly... Dont wanna say agree to X X X and disagree to Y Y Y, but here is my opinion: I am a fan of changing not that much, I accept cluster power to 2, but I really dislike guys wanna change "everything" - random placement e.g.... As I started with CWT, I was training to get clear with this IM rules, cause I played 9 years before with my own scheme...this time I hate worms choice for example, actually I think it is a tactic thing, too. So, I just wanna say, we always played IM here like given, so we should not really change that much... Btw...the jetpac + bungee thing should be stay as disallowed...in my eyes it is only a kids trick for posers...dont wanna be abusive to any fellow wormer here liking this, but some of you know, I am always telling my straight opinion...so I am... Dunno exactly, when the games will start, but, it should be a week after we get the final version of the "IM"-Scheme must be use here...if it is only the cluster thing, np, but better in any case in my eyes... So, I am waiting for that file! Another thing I wasn't getting right: Will there ONLY be allowed the IM Scheme for group stage this year? I would appriciate that, cause why playing this only in final rounds and not in groups...it would be more consequential in my opinion.... All the best! Gruß, Horn. PS: Hehe, didnt want to, but I got to say: I agree to John in point 1-3 . |
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Crespo
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Post by Crespo on Jan 17, 2007 0:44:54 GMT
Before we start we also need PRO, TOURNAMENT and ELITE schemes with cluster reduced. (besides Intermediate)
Regarding the bungee trick I don't bother myself with it since it's not that useful maneuver that can handle a game to you...
Need to make poll for crates! :x
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Johnmir
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Post by Johnmir on Jan 17, 2007 8:57:39 GMT
Crespo, sorry for writing here, but there is a miss in standings:
'1st from group B vs 2nd from group E' must be changed to '1st from group B vs 2nd from group F'.
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Post by GeneralHorn on Jan 17, 2007 17:56:07 GMT
H! Another thing I though about [not just cause of my group is maybe hard ] : I would like to see an following 2nd round for the "losers" of the groups, in other words the 3rd and 4th this year... Is it possible to arrange something like that? In my eyes it is a very short tournament for those who only play groupstage.... What is the meaning about that from other players? Greets, Horn. |
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SirGorash
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Post by SirGorash on Jan 17, 2007 18:11:17 GMT
Losers branch, very very good idea i think. If Crespo and TPen doesnt want to complicate things for CWT i would love to be allowed to show the "Losers Branch" tourney in NNN site, but that depends on them.
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Post by GeneralHorn on Jan 18, 2007 11:08:00 GMT
Losers branch, very very good idea i think. If Crespo and TPen doesnt want to complicate things for CWT i would love to be allowed to show the "Losers Branch" tourney in NNN site, but that depends on them. >>Yeah! It could be a system same group crossing like in final winners round and only 3 vs. 4...or, well, I will have enough time to spend for some more games...we can make new groups after, like it will be at the now starting handball world cup in GER...just saw that system in the newspaper . May watch it on the net...the branch is called "Presidents Cup"...hehe, funny name for "losers"... Greets, Horn. |
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Jigsaw
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Post by Jigsaw on Jan 18, 2007 18:50:57 GMT
INTERMEDIATE IS PERFECTLY BALANCED! |
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SirGorash
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Post by SirGorash on Jan 25, 2007 21:52:33 GMT
So Crespo, Penguin what do you think about GeneralHorn's idea of "Losers Branch" ?
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Post by GeneralHorn on Jan 26, 2007 21:45:01 GMT
Hi!
A question I was asking myself while playing in the net...
It should be duty to have the newest update of Worms Armageddon, guess this is 3.6.26.5 actually.
Other opinions?
Greets, Horn.
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Post by MrTPenguin on Jan 27, 2007 10:20:14 GMT
It should indeed be a requirement that all CWT games be played with the latest version of WA.
The "losers' branch" is an interesting idea, but not one that the official CWT will do. If anyone wants to host it privately, that's np.
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SirGorash
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Post by SirGorash on Jan 28, 2007 11:04:22 GMT
ok ty, i will take care of the losers  |
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, girder kill and other things, which obviosly weren't specially done by the creators, should be banned.
